Talk:Animal Crossing Wiki/Archive 2

This page contains all discussions held from 21st December 2008 to 4th April 2009. Please do not edit this page, use this page to discuss things instead.

August 2005 - 20 December 2008 Archive

Archived
I archived the old talk page, and will try and do so whenever it gets too large.PkmnTrainerJ 11:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

This wiki needs a lot of work.
Its disorginized, annd lacks a lot of information.
 * This wiki needs a more active admin at the moment IMO. --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 14:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Getting It Going
It's no lie. This Wiki needs work. There are several goals facing us immediately, so I'd like to list them out. Please offer your opinions regarding additional problems, etc.
 * 1) Admin: Both admins, myself included, are less active than we should. We need to promote a new one.
 * 2) Page Standards: We need standards for the main page and all other mainspace pages. We should also discuss what we should and should not include on this Wiki, what deserves its own page, what should be merged with other subjects, etc.
 * 3) Hard Work: We need it. You guys are doing a great job in that department.  Kudos.

Let's get it going!

I believe right now, having had experience with editing this Wiki and being the admin of another non-Wikia Wiki, I can offer the most help on subject 2. Subject 1 should be a community wide decision. Please offer up suggestions. If desired, we can create a special page where you can vote on your recommendations for who should be the next admin. Then, after analyzing the work of the highest rated users and trying to get a hold of the other administrator, I will take the appropriate action. Does that sound fine with everyone?

As for problem 2, I'd like to start by establishing what it is exactly we cover, how that can be divided into different articles, and then what each of the formats for these types should be. Due to the nature of Animal Crossing, wherein each person will have a different experience, I don't think we should set out to write "in-universe" articles. I believe that blending in-universe and out-of-universe information in a manner similar to Wikipedia would be acceptable. Many Wikis struggle in their formative years with whether they should include both official and unofficial content. Official content is, naturally, information about the games, anime, etc. This also includes real world information, such as sales figures, controversy, critical reception, and such. Unofficial content includes fan-creations, such as fanfics, information about people's individual towns, personally created patterns, and personal experiences with the series. I believe that, at this point in our development, we should devote our mainspace articles (those without prefixes, such as special or user) to official topics and information. However, I believe that one's userspace is a perfect place to share your experiences and creations with the Wiki - and I encourage that. My dream for this Wiki is that we would create a community as well as a reference site. For me, the most effective and enjoyable Wikis are ones that embrace the humanity of their writers, thus encouraging the writers to devote more time and work harder. Let's see if we can build that!

Next, let's go into what all this "official" content is that we'll be covering:
 * The series as a whole
 * Locations (town, city, home)
 * Characters (Tom Nook, villagers, etc.)
 * Events (holidays, tourneys, etc.)
 * Tools, Furniture, etc.
 * Games
 * E-Cards
 * Anime
 * Merchandise
 * Individuals and Staff

How we go about establishing standards for each of these types of articles is now up to us. I believe we're going to want a template for each different category, first off. Each article, regardless of type, should fully explain the subject (naturally), including detailed information about their appearances in the games and anime, physical appearance, relation to the player, and so on. Additionally, I'd like to establish a glossary, where each article has a short information blurb, much like what Nintendo did with the City Folk website recently. What do you think about that?

Anyway, I have talked to much. I now turn the floor over to you. Feel free to support or tear apart anything said above. This Wiki is not just for me, and Wikis are not a one-size-fits-all affair. Let's get this improvement going! Stumpers 00:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For adminship, I think the best would be that people vote and other contributors can support or not (with reasons) since there are somewhat regular contributors here. I think a minimum of contributions is needed for the candidate, and that you also support him or her to become one as you are the only active administrator at the moment. In my opinion, a total of two administrators for a small wiki would be the best: if one goes MIA, at least there will be another to check the wiki.
 * As for 'page standards, I agree with everything; nothing to add for this point. --D-day 17:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Two more issues to discuss - (1) Main page policies, particularly news and featured articles. We need policy for when an article is good enough to be featured and what is newsworthy.  (2) How minor can a subject be to still get an article?  Should an implied character, such as Vicious Vole Vinnie get an article or be merged into a "List of implied characters"? Stumpers 21:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we should vote for a new FA every month. --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 19:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But what happens if there isn't a new article that meets our standards (which, by the way, we have yet to define)? I do like the voting, though.  How about this (and again I'm taking a page out of the other Wiki I'm a part of) - we vote on which articles deserve to be FAs and then we put them on a list, and each week/month/day/whatever we look at the list and make the next article on the list featured.  That way, should we come to a point where there's no article that month that deserves to be an FA, we can put up an old FA until we get another article in good condition. Stumpers 19:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition to the requirements necessary for pages, I think we should remind writers to remain impartial and informative. It seems to be, in some occasions, that writers are using language that's too informal and opinionated. 'Oodles of bells', for example. Thanks for setting this talk up, by the way, it's a really good way to hear everyone's opinions. Dab 12:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe "mantain a NPOV" could be part of a policy --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 17:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * At the risk of sounding rather stupid; what, may I ask, is an 'NPOV'?Dab 20:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dab! NPOV means, in my experience, non-point of view.  In other words, it means writing as if you were writing an encyclopedia: the only opinions that are voiced in the articles are those of the characters, game developers/publishers, and industry professionals.  For example, I wouldn't write, "This is a very hard task," but rather, I would find go to IGN.com's Game Guide and say, "IGN.com editor ___ claims that ___ is the hardest task in the game." Does that help?  I'm also concerned with the number of "I's" and "you's" that I'm seeing.  It's like people don't understand that we are a formal encyclopedia rather than a community.  I think the more good examples of articles we have, the more people will realize that.  However, adding a segment called "Writing Professionally" into Animal Crossing City:About would be a good idea - I'll have to do that. Stumpers 21:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is that basicly (even though I thought it was neutral point of view but same thing). --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 18:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Liking some of these ideas. The NPOV is a good idea, but there should be some times where you can point out if something may be rather ambisious for new players, for example getting the Golden Watering Can. And regarding the 'I's and 'you's, you may know that Mario Wiki has a policy that these should be replaced by 'Mario' or 'The player'. That's a good idea. I'm not the most frequent here, but I will maybe have a go at a template for something.

Also, I noticed that some pages have some info that is irrelevant, but not so much that the writer would notice. For example, on one of Crazy Redd's pages (the 'one of' being another issue I raised a while back) that there is a section on fraudulant paintings. This would be better placed in Crazy Redd's, the page about his store. Actually, the Redd pages could do with some serious merging. Also, just wanna add, should we have a category for pending deletion/merging/etc? I have requested many a merge and deletion, and all have been ignored.JakeyBoy01 19:04, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Species
Is it really necessary to have to 'species' category? If it is going to be continued, we need to add all the characters to it, and perhaps get rid of unique species such as 'beaver'. Also, we would need a better description of each species. It would be good to hear people's input on the matter. Dab 12:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine, provided all species are accounted for... it wouldn't be very good if it said "species" but was really a "villager species" list. We're referring to, right?  I was thinking we could merge all single-member species, such as beaver, giraffe, and skunk, into "List of minor species." Stumpers 21:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll do that from now on."List of Unique species", perhaps. Dab 18:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they should still stay individual pages for the non-villager species; for example the pelicans page is the three from the post office, but with city folk introducing a new one, she can get added. a lot of the pages only have one animal in them, but the pelican example shows that perhaps in future games there may be more introduced.--Fleurione 03:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk on the main page
... should really be only about the main page, such as the formatting, as this will become too cluttered. I suggest using the Forums instead. --D-day 22:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In my experience it really isn't a problem. Both this Wiki and the other one I admin for have been doing it since their creation.  After we figure out what we're going to do about our major problems, we may think about what you recommend, but right now, I don't want to stop discussion and get everyone confused as to where to go. Stumpers 01:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Americanisms
Being English, I'm wondering about our stance on words such as 'color' and 'mom'. What shall we do? Despite only being translated into American-English, English people still play it, and (at least personally) find it annoying after a while. What shall we do? Shall I stop typing in English-English? That would be a bit odd for me. Does English-English really matter over in America? Dab 18:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Good question. I don't think there's any policies on it (yet) (if there is though, i wouldn't be suprised if it's in favour of American English). --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 18:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know what Wikia's policy for this is? Stumpers 05:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think they have one, but they're most likely to use American English (Wikia is USA-based). --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 16:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose we'll just use American then... Dab 18:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, as much as I hate American-English, if the game speaks it, so should the wiki. -Fleurione 18:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

When can you create an account?
I cant create an account, whens the time you can create an account?
 * You should be able to create one at any time. If you have trouble, please check ask on wikia.com Stumpers 01:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

First person dialouge
I'm new to this wiki, but already I have seen a lot of entries with first person narratives in them. While most people would write like that on a blog, it is not how a wiki article should look.
 * Indeed. I wonder how to raise awareness about this issue? Stumpers 02:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * We could make a page called 'Rules for new users' and link it to their talk pages, perhaps. If it was laid out in a simple manner, I'm sure it would work. Dab 19:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

How to make an infobox?
How do you make an Infobox? I need two for the FishyBuggyPedia - one for fish and one for bugs. Dragonfree97 18:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

New Namespace
We need a "guide" namespace. Paper Crossing

Who deleted the main page?
Whoever has this IP address 79.76.57.122 deleted the content of the main page, as well as numerous other pages. It is unknown the conditions of those pages or the identity of the deleter. --Aximill 21:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've just restored the page. Whoever did that is a real pest! Dab 21:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The other pages that were deleted appear to be restored. --Aximill 21:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've blocked the user for a week as a warning. I hope that doesn't seem too harsh! Dab 21:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If I woas an admin, I'd give him/her a warning with a severe punishment. If (s)he did it again I would ban themfor 12 months. And so they would get bored of waiting for the ban to wear off and leave the site alone. BTW, I reverted the edit on Category:Characters or whatever it was. Dragonfree 9 7  21:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, super! I was wondering who did that. How are the fish pages going, by the way? They seem to be going very well! Dab 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * SIX Dot-dot things! Anyay, the fish is going great! It's typical that we seem to have an article on all the rarerer fish, but not the commoners like the Dace. Dragonfree 9 7  21:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Dab - a week is very short for the amount of vandalism we're discussion. You can easily go 3 months or more for that as far as I'm concerned, but then again after reverting so much spam I am very jaded in regards to someone turning around and making useful edits. :) We'll see if this guy turns around, but if he shows up again, we beat him with the net, so to speak... ha, sorry Animal Crossing references, yes. Stumpers 01:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

New Media & Other Such Stuff
Well done for changing the featured media, Stumpers! perhaps we should update the Featured article to something currently happening in Animal Crossing now... spring, perhaps? or Weather? That said, Gracie is a good page, but we've only really had characters as the featured page. Dab 12:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, aside from all this, perhaps we should archive this page. There's a lot of stuff on it now, so clearing it out would be a good idea. I see its been done before, but I don't know how. In addition, why is there a big gap at the top of the main page? It seems a bit odd. Dab 12:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Furniture Sets
If anyone has a full set of furniture in City Folk, including the wall and floor, I'd encourage them to line them up and take some snapshots, like I did with the snowman series (AC:CF) page. This will greatly improve all the furniture pages and make it easier for readers to understand what's in the series. Dab 11:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Uncategorised Pages
This was brought to my attention in a discussion on Paper Crossing's talk page- there are a whole stack of uncategorised pages that need trawling through to be sorted. Perhaps we should all start doing that sometime soon. Dab 11:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This is getting quite irritating- no-one seems to go on the talk pages, including this one. Is this an unwillingness to help, or just a lack of time? I'd just like to know, as I'm not really happy about it. It seems to be that I raise issues that go unnoticed, no matter what they are- for example, when it comes to merging, layout and content. I'm not trying to be nasty, sorry if it came out that way! Dab 13:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can see a list on Special:Uncategorizedpages. --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 13:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I did know that- sorry if I didn't make that known! I was just wondering if I could encourage people to sort out some of the pages. Evidently not. Dab 14:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You could create a project page... --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 14:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Forum
I have successfully set up a [http://animalcrossingwiki.b1.jcink.com/index.php? forum] here if you want to join. Paper Crossing
 * That looks good! It should be a much easier way of discussing things about this site. I don't think there are any forums that cover 'improving the site'. Dab 17:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

We've made 800!
We've hit another milestone- 800 pages! I can remember when we got to 500 not too long ago! Thanks to everyone who helped for getting us so far- let's focus on improving the pages we already have. Dab 19:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just saw that. I can wait till we make 1000! PC
 * Who knows where were'l end up... --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 17:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Standards for capitalisation of pages
I propose that all pages be capitalised, e.g. Common Butterfly rather than Common butterfly. If there is a standard across the wiki, it will be easier to have links to be filled when the page is created. -Fleurione 20:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, I'll correct the bug pages now. Thanks for pointing that out! Dab 09:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome - I'll have to go and change my links back now :D Is there a way of making this info known on the standards page? -Fleurione 11:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I didn't even know there was a standards page. Does one exist, or should we create one? Dab 15:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought there was one as there always should be one, so yes, it should be created :) -Fleurione 18:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Problem Concerning Boxy-things
When one of the bottom-of-the-page-boxy-things is placed under another, instead of fitting in size as a ratio of the whole page, it becomes a ratio of the boxy-thing above, if one is in place. The 'Insect Family' thing has a ratio of 50%;

Hmmph. Does anyone know how this can be combated? Dab 17:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Was missing an /div at the end of the code - always check that an element that you have opened has been closed :) I'm not sure if that's fixed it though, as this page is still messed up - whereabouts are you using these two togther & experiencing the problem, and I'll see if I can see what's up? -Fleurione 18:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Why woud you want to put two of these below each other, anyway? BTW, they're called templates. And There is a problem with the new fish template. I can't get the text to stay centered! Dragonfree 9 7 17:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I forgot their names! Well, the Ladybug belongs to the beetle family and needs the insect template, too. I saw that problem with the fish template and tried to fix it, but I didn't know what to do, sorry. Dab 18:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed the fish template for you. -Fleurione 18:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it worked, as all things below are scrumpled up. Dab
 * Oh, oh dear. It looked ok on the template page.  Which page is an example of it being scrumpled? -Fleurione 18:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The one above ^ scrumples everything below it, which is very inconvenient when adding extra templates below it. See Common Butterfly for an example. Dab 18:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge the two templates. 18:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Dragonfree 9 7
 * No, as not all insects belong to these groups. Oh! It works, all of a sudden! Dab 18:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem was there was an additional missing /div. Should all be solved now; see my Sandbox to see the fish & bug templates together on one page :) -Fleurione 18:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks! Dragonfree 9 7 18:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)  Dragonfree 9 7  18:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Eternal gratitude, Fleurione! Panic over. By the way, has everyone added there userboxes yet? What new ones do we need? Dab 18:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Featured Article
I'm going to try to get a new featured article & featured media every week- does anyone have any suggestions for either of them? I think the Rare Painting for featured media. Dab

Featured Article: Bagworm Dragonfree 9 7  19:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Any more suggestions for either category? I'll change it every wednesday from now on, as long as I'm not on holiday. We need a holiday userbox! Dab 16:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Weekly Poll
Why don't we have a poll on the main page? The first one could be:

Which Tom Nook's Store do you have in City Folk? Nook's Cranny Nook 'n' Go NookWay Nookington's Don't have City Folk What's Tom Nook's Store? Dragonfree 9 7 19:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a good idea! Perhaps something different, though- most people would probably have Nookington's. Where should it go on the main page? Dab 16:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Below the featured article but above the featured media. Dragonfree 9 7  16:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Perfect place, but it still needs fine-tuning: it goes right off the page. Dab 16:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's odd... I can vote on the above poll, but not the one on the main page... Dab


 * Worked for me... Dragonfree 9 7  16:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, those polls don't work, but these aren't too important so it doesn't really matter (Once a poll came up for me and sais it was created on 1 January 1970 :O). --YOWUZA TALK 2 ME! 18:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

What the...
Why is this talk page in Category:Species? Dragonfree 9 7 19:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

An old discussion entitled 'species', someone must have got a bit carried away, not me, though! Perhaps Stumpers. He'll be happy to see all the work we've done, if he does return. Dab 19:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Stumpers left... when the FBP started up... Dragonfree 9 7  19:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)...

Archiving page
How do we archive this page? It's getting a bit long... Dab 19:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Aaaaagh!
This is pretty minor but it really irritates me. Please, stop inventing pic quotes for characters exclusive to the GC game! There were no villager pictures in ACGC, so there are obviously no pic quotes for characters exclusive to that game. I delete invented pic quotes whenver I see them, just to let you all know. User:Yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Umm...I think it's 22:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)? It's 17:46, 3 April 2009 (EST)

You know you can just press ~ to sign... Dragonfree 9 7 05:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)